Pirates Plundering Chances of More Pixeljunk’s on PSP
Piracy has been one of the major issues since the PSP hit store shelves in 2005 and it’s now affecting one of the highest selling PSN games to date, PixelJunk Monsters.
PixelJunk Monsters Deluxe was recently released for the PSP and it looks like things are not going that well for the title. Dylan Cuthbert, President and Managing Director of Q-Games recently had this to say about the game on his personal twitter account.
“I don’t think we’ll port anything else to the PSP, we have to see how PJMD does as there’s a *lot* of piracy”
He went on to respond to a comment of how PixelJunk Monsters Deluxe was perfect fit for the PSP by saying,
“Monsters is such a good fit it is being pirated I think, maybe the pirates will buy the full version out of guilt?”
When pressed about the possibility of the game detecting if it is a legit copy or not, Dylan did not seem too up on that,
“unfortunately the pirates could just hack those kinds of things out”
Hopefully the game sales pick up as the PixelJunk games are great fun and seem the perfect fit for the mobile experience. PixelJunk Monsters Deluxe released on October 1st, the same day that the PSPgo hit the shelves. As always, Stay Connected to PlayStation LifeStyle for all your PSP/PS3 news.
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47 Responses to “Pirates Plundering Chances of More Pixeljunk’s on PSP”
I honestly wish people would stop calling them pirates. They are common thieves anyway you look at it.
i haven’t bought pjmd because i don’t have money, but that doesn’t mean im going to pirate my psp, im going to wait until i have money and buyit
I think they are just trying to come up with excuses for poor sales.
A pirated game does not equal a lost sale. If people want to pay for it they will and of they don’t they won’t. Before piracy was easy this just meant that fewer people played the game. Piracy of digital wares is like borrowing a book from the library, no one sees profit from it and the only difference is you never have to return the file, though the only reason you return it at a library is so that more people have the chance to read it for free. The reason authors don’t worry about libraries is because there is only one author but many people are required to develop games.
Btw I bought this game and all of my games. I’m just saying that piracy isn’t “evil” or indicative of lost merchandise.
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Yeah I gotta agree with onionpaper.
They always cry “pirate” when sales are poor….it’s getting old. If pirates were forced into buying the game then they probably wouldn’t buy it at all. Piracy doesn’t seem to be hurting 360 game sales at all and piracy is rampant on that system.
Just because people like a free ride doesn’t mean they will pay for it.
and just to play the devils addy……Digital Distro creates a pirate mindset anyway. You get people accustomed to NOT owning a physical product and managing downloads. Then you DRM it to hell and back so they don’t really have control over the product they bought. Uh oh….here comes a pirate ship…..arrrrrr we removed that nasty protection and now it’s free…..and so our “hero” sales away with blackbeard because companyX screwed him.
How much is PJMD on the PSP?
I wish they would have made this playable for the PS3 aswell as the PSP.
I don’t have a PSP, but am almost considering getting one just because of this game!
Please Q Games give us PS3 only owners another dose of PJM
uhh, theres a lot of reasons for both things… but the pirates are not the fault!!!
Pixeljunk monsters, was a ok game to start with… now that its on the psp, its like meh… now lets look at it like this, i keep quite informed, and when PJM psp came out, i just happened to see it in the store a week after it came out, THIS IS IN NO WAY a hyped game, or even a game they put effort into selling *lack of ad’s = lack of sales*
secondly, most psp owners are not Go users so that means Low memory cards *prior to hacking mine, i was content with a 32 mb memory stick =\* so that limits the users greatly, also a lot of people are CFW users *=/= pirate* and they might not update high enough to use the playstation store, or they get blocked *I believe if your firmware is too low, you get blocked since some games require higher firmware* and others have low internet speeds *mine is a JOKE via psp… so downloading that game is like 3 hours for me =\*
thirdly, there are far too many other games many of which have support/fan bases/high reviews/etc, and even amazing games were on sale *disgaea 1 for instance* so with the 200+ games added for the go users + the games the go users are waiting for, are gonna hurt sales of a game thats no where near as good as a LOT of psp titles
finally, they dont put forth the effort to “beat” the pirates, even if you just stop them for a few days some will assume its a lost cause and just buy it, and people whom really want it will opt out of the free to get the real game *a lot of people did this with mario kart/galaxy/brawl because they were hard to burn =P* also when they just let the pirates win, that shows their clearly not the issue this also shows their lack of faith in the product…
*from my point of view*
No marketing
No news/updates *like i said it just came out*
No mention
No piracy prevention
This doesnt show something they strongly believe in… *or dont feel they need to market =\* so between the lack of information, support, care, retail presence, and overall everything… its no wonder its basically a wash =P
I agree with victorinix. Not all people know what this game is. Not all PSP users have played a PixelJunk game because not all have a PS3. Advertisement is really important. Look at the PS3, even with that new price tag, it won’t move much without advertising it in the TV. Sony definitely learned alot from this generation.
I think it’s just stupidity honestly.
The game came out a long time ago. People stopped caring after a while. Critter Crunch isn’t doing well yet it’s a PS3 game so it can’t be pirated.
Plus Pixel Junk MOnsters already had remote play support. i think maybe they should have improved on that a bit instead. Maybe people are just done with the series.
If Fat Princess does horribly on PSP THEN maybe we have an argument. Otherwise it’s just Q-Games screwing up. Case in point, I didn’t even know it was released on PSP that day because there were ONE HUNDRED FREAKING TITLES BEING RELEASED THAT DAY NITWITS!
@ Onion & robo a pirated game deffinately does make for lost sales if ican go buy a camera, for instance, for 60$ and at the same time someone else is giving that same camera away for free. You’d be an idiot to buy it when you could get it for free. I don’t pirate games but i’ve gotten some movies & there’s no way in hell I would buy the cow when i get the milk for free imho.
That said, i do agree that dig. distro. does set the setting & even encourages piracy. Also I don’t think this game is anywhere near played out yet. Weve only gotten 1 1/2 versions of this on ps3. Myself I would love to purchase a new pjm. & surprised that so many games are psp only such as pjmd. Really seems like they’re limiting their market share by only selling on one platform. It can’t be that hard to code it for psp & ps3. then they have at least a 50 % increase of consumers to sell to that don’t have the psp. Like Me. Psp is overpriced, why spend $250 for that when the ps3 is $300, Sony needs to fix the $ especially with psp4 coming soon
@tystick33 first of all, it’s not like someone who has stolen from a store because those are physical objects which are located in someone’s possession. The store has paid for the item, and stealing it means you are taking money from them specifically. To be on the PlayStation store, while there are digital rights management fees, there is no price which PS must pay Q-games or any other developer before selling the game. To make this more clear, Best Buy pays supplier, stocks games and reaps profits from markup after having purchased the game at wholesale. PS Store simply lists games and reaps profits when it skims a percentage from whatever is sold. You see the difference?
You are saying “why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?” but that is a choice that everyone makes when they decide whether or not to purchase a game, or any digital media. The point is, if someone has pirated a video game they are unlikely to have purchased it anyway, because they’re not looking to spend the money on games, it’s not one of their priorities.
For another analogy, think of your music collection before napster and after napster. Before, how many CDs would you purchase a week? I would guess most people wouldn’t say they bought even one a week, depending on their socio-economic background. I bought a CD maybe once a month. After napster, my music selection grew exponentially, because it was available. This did not change my purchasing power, though, as I continued to purchase on the same level as before, except that perhaps the bands changed (because I was introduced to so much more). Of course I’m a sample of just one, but my point is I listened to a larger variety of music while I continued to purchase the same amount.
You’re right that the digital media sets a kind of tone, because it’s a different way of business, but the difference has become necessary due to the changing climate of the rest of digital media. This is all happening slowly (it’s been more than a decade since filesharing became the norm, and since piracy has been so easy), but distributors are beginning to realize that there is money to be made when they make all the profit from digital files rather than going through the hassle of producing physical formats. They’re also recognizing that there is a market for digital files, as so many people become accustomed to the idea of collections existing in a space that fits in your pocket. I know many people who take pride in their digital collection of music, as much as one used to take pride in their CD or record collection.
While it is true that there are some instances when someone chooses to pirate a game rather than purchase it, it is impossible to prove that said person would have purchased the game anyway if it had not been available for free, piracy is not indicative of lost sales. It is a hypothetical which, much to the dismay of distributors, can never be proven one way or the other. Ultimately, “even pirates” decide to purchase video games when they feel it is worthy of their money.
@onion paper
I skipped most of what you said, but on your last sentence, I’d like to add myself as an example. Most if not all of the games I’ve “pirated” I wouldn’t have if I had to pay for them. Most of the time it’s worth paying to have the case with the book, the actual disc, ability to play online(dunno about psp but on pc some you can’t) if it’s a game you’re interested in.
@ onion/Johnny
Piracy is special, and yes it can result in a loss of a sale, but people are too 1 sided =\ a lot of games rely heavily on word of mouth, look at Demons Souls that had nothing to begin with, even when atlus got it most of the news was fluff really, and nothing that anyone in the world really cares about… Hey if you got the asian one, get the US one for THE SAME TROPHIES!!! =P but reguardless i heard good things, and i bought it, it was a great game still passively working on it *got too many other new things to play* in addition at my college, before mario kart came out I played it on a chiped wii, and it was so fun I bought a Wii the next day + mario kart… so that 1 pirated game, got a wii sold, 1 controller, and a copy of mario kart WII, TRUE this wont happen every time… but a lot of sales were made over this reason
in addition a vast ammount of pirated games, are things that people dont have much confidence in… take Madworld for instance, yeah its original, and yeah its fun for an hour… but you can beat the game in 3 hours if you put your mind to it XD thats hardly worth more than 20 usd… same for the conduit had a lot going for it, it got crushed… and ended up getting strong piracy due to it, but i know a lot of pirates buy games they like, and a lot of pirates are the active members of gamefaqs/other sites whom post reviews/opinions… so though these people lost a sale, they may gain 1+ they wouldnt due to someone like that posting… so word of mouth helps a lot, with piracy *ive sold atleast 30 psp’s, and several games due to my comments*
finally, Piracy and Rental are not very different as were mentioned… I enjoy collecting trophies with a new game, if that makes me a whore whatever, if it makes me a gamer thats cool too *their just something to do, i like to see how many i can as fast as i can* family video lets me rent games for 2 days for 2 – 4 usd *depends on a lot of factors =P*
Uncharted 2: 56%
Brutal Legend: 64%
Dead Space: 91%
Bioshock: 100%
Borderlands: 40% and raising
Wet: 34%
Batman: 56%
etc
I got those %’s in the span of 2 days… every game on that list i atleast beat it, some I beat it more than once *Dead space for instance* and others I did all the side things *brutal legend* now when i can get 100% complete on brutal legend in 2 days… theres hardly any reason to just buy the game… a lot of this is where piracy stems, though I might own bioshock, i plated it so why would I want to play it anymore? or dead space that requires 3 cycles to plat, will you seriously keep playing? doubt it =P, etc… so a lot of the pirated games result in having the same lifespan of a rental =\
finally, a lot of what happens now is if something can be pirates, and sales are less than they believe to be right, they point it out as a common enemy… im sure gamesharing would be blamed if it was more common =P they just like blaming a common evil, you read these things enough someone else is always the problem
Used games are to blame for the death of the video game industry, because Devs are not making the 59.99 their game deserves because gamestop has it used for 20 usd
Piracy is the problem, their stealing our games those (#*%(@~!
Rental places are the problem, our game is short and boring and now NO ONE will play it !!
seriously they blame everyone for everything… so yeah =\
@ onionpaper
do you know how dumb this sounds?
first of all, it’s not like someone who has stolen from a store because those are physical objects which are located in someone’s possession
no matter how many ways you re-word it .. its stealing. Does that justify a person who doesnt have alot of money to rob someone else or break into a house for a ‘greater cause”? you may not walk into a store and steal an item but its stealing. it comes from 1 source and spreads to everyone else hurting sales.. When a person steals money threw bank transfers or using the net thats not stealing? same concept.. using the net to get what you cant afford or work to get. Dont blame used games sales or use other examples to justify and feel better. You dont have or want to save the money to purchase the item youself.. by counter saying that your testing a game STILL doesnt make you look better. I have more respect for a pirate that admits he does it cause its free and not re-word things to make it seam less wrong. You hurt developers, time spent on creating software, games , applications just to have something for free. Last time you commented in another article saying that you hate when people preach.. its the truth and i hate when people who commit a crime make it seam less like one. I personally know people who used Napster back in that day and they still bought CDS. Those types are RARE. i also know a few guys who pirate PS2 games onto there PS2HDD and never buy any. When i ask him why he wont buy a PS3.. his responce is because it cant be pirated and he rather get it free anyways..to each his own, still doesnt justify a person stealing a game. This isnt a personal attack , so dont take it like one. Your vocal about piracy and i dont agree with your view because in the end… its still stealing. No matter how its worded around and example you gives its STILL stealing. You seam like a smart guy, im sure you see it aswell even if its a glimmer of the truth.
On a side note, im surprised Cameron Teaque hasnt added his opinion.. based on his friendly fire articles he has them.
You know just love the “a pirated game does not equal a lost sale” argument. “The pirates were not going to pay for it anyway” people say.
If I walk into my local grocery story and steal a candy bar, should I tell the police that “I wasn’t going to buy it anyway”?.
I know the counter-argument will be “But pirates just take copies, and if you steal a candy bar then someone else can’t buy it, or the store loses money because they paid for the candy bar”.
My response is that stealing is stealing.
Stealing is defined as “to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully”
If you are appropriating the content without right or leave, and making use of it (wrongfully, because you don’t have right or leave) then you are stealing.
PSLS missed a part of the news story for Dylan. He twittered what he did because he was on a board that the users were openly discussing how they were playing it and had pirated it. He also saw a torrent for the game the day after it’s debut on PSN. He isn’t blaming sales on piracy, he is bummed that his game was pirated. Now he might be jumping to conclusions, but based on sales vs torrent downloads he could very well be correct on poor sales being the result of piracy.
AssasinHD and Shadowjin
You’re wrong, Piracy is not stealing, it is a form of copyright infringement and it has been since before copyrights. You aren’t physically taking anything, so calling it stealing is ludicrous.
“The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another’s property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.” That is actually stealing not what assassinHD posted.
Even if you’re going to argue copyright infringement’s stealing, When pirating a game your intentions aren’t to leave everyone else without the game, so you could just as easily argue it isn’t.
Regardless of what piracy is, It’s a perfectly valid argument to say that not EVERY pirated copy means lost money, and saying otherwise is a lie. Renting is almost the exact same thing as far as the developer is concerned, except it generates money for wherever rents games, and they do sell the copy or two to the store, But I know company’s have problems with other people making money off of them, and pirating isn’t a profitable business when everything is free.
Think about all the people that have been arrested for downloading music…Oh yeah they’re only being sued, guess they aren’t stealing.
* My pirating not being a profitable business sentence refers to the free downloading aspect of pirating, not actually selling pirated stuff, which most certainly is wrong, but if you think walking into a store and physically taking a copy away from the store is the same as a download you’re mistaken.
“The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another’s property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.” That is actually stealing not what assassinHD posted.
So unauthorized use of another’s property, accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty fits the definition of stealing then.
Since the illegal copy of the content is the intellectual property of the copyright holder, and you are using it with a mens rea of dishonesty, then you are stealing when you play a pirated game.
Thanks for supporting my position in this argument.
An intellectual property isn’t a physical object you can steal, which is why it would fall under copyright infringement. You realize you’re arguing against actual courts in saying piracy is stealing? You wouldn’t be getting ONLY sued if you were getting arrested for theft. You are Infringing upon a copyright if you did not physically take anything away from anyone. Do you think they would have gone through the trouble of passing copyright laws if it was just stealing? Not to mention you ignored everything else I said.
Courts have distinguished between copyright infringement and theft, holding, for instance, in the United States Supreme Court case Dowling v. United States (1985) that bootleg phonorecords did not (for the purpose of the case) constitute stolen property, and writing:
interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The Copyright Act even employs a separate term of art to define one who misappropriates a copyright: … ‘an infringer of the copyright.’ …
The infringer invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control over the copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use. While one may colloquially link infringement with some general notion of wrongful appropriation, infringement plainly implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion, or fraud.
—Dowling v. United States, 473 U.S. 207, pp. 217–218
Get it? Good.
@JT5/Onionpaper
the reason they prosecute you diffrently is due to the fact that you dont have the physical media when caught but in your harddrive. Games and applications dont just magically appear out of thin air, someone created it. It is still a form of stealing.
Literally millions of people who would never dream of shoplifting a book, album, or packaged software item, seem to have no ethical qualms about photocopying books and magazine articles, or downoading music. How do we explain this? I think one reason is that it is perceived as a victimless crime. I know that music industry people will vigorously disagree, but if someone copies a song, the copyright-holder may or may not be out of revenue he or she might have had. piracy is not “stealing” in the sense most people think of theft because your not walking into the place and taking the item .. instead your downloading it.. the pirate sits in his chair at his computer, looks on file sharing services for a copy of the full version of the software, and usually waits a few hours for it to download.
It’s true that the pirate is getting goods without paying for them, and that it’s a morally unacceptable action. He may have not cost the company money by physically walking into a place a depriving them of an item or another potenial sale But that doesnt justify the crime. The reason a person is proscuted threw the copywrite infringement law is because they use the excuse of “file sharing” to justify themselves. That does not mean that piracy is morally acceptable, however. Indeed, piracy is not right, since you are using the good or service originally provided by another without legitimately paying for it. Just as stealing is wrong, piracy is wrong, too. If everyone had the chance to download anything they wanted to without any fear of being caught, most would and very few would go and buy a copy. Companies make no revenue.
stealing: The act of taking feloniously the personal property of another without his consent and knowledge; theft; larceny. avoiding detection by moving carefully.
This doesn’t explain all file-sharing of course and there’s no question that some people are free-riding on P2P systems for music, games and software instead of buying. The real question……. is how to deal with these differences without breaking the system? This is what most use to counter my reality checks:
“Downloading isn’t theft, because it’s only a copy, and the original remains.”
How can anyone assume that makes sense? By this logic, it should be “ok” to “take” a Corvette, because Chevy still has the original prototype somewhere in Detroit. The Corvette you’re taking is just a “copy” of the original. There are ways to copy car based on blue prints used in those factories except it requires money to duplicate. With file sharing on the net its simplifed. If the means exsisted to copy a car without owning a factory this would stem over to the car makers. software and media are physical things. Once downloaded, you can touch it, save it by USB or DVD/CD, move it, re-copy it and put it in your pocket. It’s just a much SMALLER physical thing, than a car. It’s also a physical thing that someone spent time, effort, money, labor hours and energy to create. You wouldn’t walk into a store, and steal the DVD. Less the $0.09 cents it costs to create a physical DVD (which is literally how much it costs to print a DVD)… where do you think the true value in the DVD comes from?
You don’t gain benefit from listening to music? You don’t gain benefit from playing video games and watching movies? You don’t gain benefit from using the computer you’re on at this very moment to discuss this topic? I don’t understand how you’re not getting any benefit from it?Without it, you’d be sitting in front of a fire, in a cave, painting pictures on the wall with deer blood, along with the other cavemen…
You have software, music, movies and video games to enjoy… because someone else put the time and effort into creating them.
“What gives one person the right… to take something that belongs to someone else without paying for it?
Why do some people feel that they are entitled to take something, use it enjoy it and gain benefit from it… without compensating the person that created it? Games, software applications all came from 1 persons mind who put effort, time and secured deals to brining it for others (if they choose to use it) .There are many other ways to sample items without downloading first.. its simple to sit in a chair and just download full copies even if you dont plan or want to spend the money later on.
The word rhetoric can mean thousands of things but is mostly associated with using language persuasively. Just how some ignore the fact that Micael Jackson molested little kids and had “sleep overs” in his mansion in never, never land. What do most say? “hes just a kid at heart and had problems with his childhood and can only associate with younger kids” and never question him even after being busted. I know this is an extreme example lol but thrown in to show how anyone can find something good in a crime and completely forget whats REALLY happening
If you ask any judge or Lawyer if downloading a full item for personal use is stealing? he will say yes because your taking something thats not yours for personal use and enjoyment and not paying for it (unless its a trial item).. unfortunatly, they have to prosecute you diffrently based on fire sharing excuses.. you dont know any of these people who have the original file. They are not your friend. They will not say “i know him and let him borrow it” at court. My fathers a Lawyer and owns a firm in the state of California.. they deal with bullshit like this all the time, that its almost a JOKE to hear some of the excuses they come up with to justfy themselves.. in the end of the day when a persons busted bringing up defintions of what means what? wont hold up in court.. There are loop holes in everything but in the end of the day its still plain stealing. Yop can copy an item and distribute it online just like the original source.
@shadow
““Downloading isn’t theft, because it’s only a copy, and the original remains.”
How can anyone assume that makes sense? By this logic, it should be “ok” to “take” a Corvette, because Chevy still has the original prototype somewhere in Detroit. The Corvette you’re taking is just a “copy” of the original.”
…..Really?………………………REALLY?
When I download a game i’m not putting someone else out tens of thousands of dollars, nor am I restricting anyone else from using anything. I have already stated it’s a copyright infringement, and is in no way actually stealing. Saying copyright infringement is a form of stealing is like saying murder is a form of assault. Of course it is, but you can’t just ignore the differences can you? since murder is just a form of assault you should be charging murderers with assault right? Also I know you’ve heard of copryright infringement i’ve said it thirty times, why else would they go through the process of all that if they would just call it all stealing?
Yes Johnny… REALLY you forgot to copy the rest anyone else reading your quote would be under the impression that im just using a CAR as an example.. heres the rest.
There are ways to copy car based on blue prints used in those factories except it requires money to duplicate. With file sharing on the net its simplifed. If the means exsisted to copy a car without owning a factory this would stem over to the car makers. software and media are physical things. Once downloaded, you can touch it, save it by USB or DVD/CD, move it, re-copy it and put it in your pocket. It’s just a much SMALLER physical thing, than a car. It’s also a physical thing that someone spent time, effort, money, labor hours and energy to create. You wouldn’t walk into a store, and steal the DVD. Less the $0.09 cents it costs to create a physical DVD (which is literally how much it costs to print a DVD)… where do you think the true value in the DVD comes from?
johnny says:
Now about the morality of pirating games. When I download a game, it’s a game that I wouldn’t spend money on other than a rent. If it’s physically impossible for me to give videoflicks 5 dollars because they don’t have it, I infringe upon copyrights. I know I am doing so, and don’t give a crap cause i’m not going to court. There are times copyright infringement doesn’t hurt anyone, when it does then you see lawsuits.
that justifies taking and enjoying something for free?
Did you miss where the SUPREME COURT OF THE US notes copyright infringement(piracy) as not the same as stealing?
As far as I can tell from the rest of that quote, you’re saying people would pirate cars if they could fit in your pocket, which made me laugh out loud.
You were using JUST THE CAR as an example, until you expanded on it further. The sentence ended and with it the thought.
Look at the original quote, ““Downloading isn’t theft, because it’s only a copy, and the original remains.”
This is fact because it is not theft, it is copyright infringement. They came up with that concept to describe something that isn’t the same as stealing.
this isnt about giving you a “lesson on ethics” its about pirating software as a topic not using JOHNNY AS EXAMPLE. also you fail to see the car as an exmple.. than later explaing it in another form. You cant physcally copy a car but if the means were there PEOPLE WOULD. but its simple to COPY items and put them on CD/DVDs..also you missed the point of why they have to prosecute a person diffrently because your not walking into a store. thats okay, since its to much to read anyways.
* ran out of time on editting
About Pirating cars, people build their own cars all the time, they get parts from scrapyards and different places, so that point is void.
If the means exsisted to copy a car without owning a factory this would stem over to the car makers
what follows:
software and media are physical things. Once downloaded, you can touch it, save it by USB or DVD/CD, move it, re-copy it and put it in your pocket. It’s just a much SMALLER physical thing, than a car..
and your car remark ..yes people can BUT ITS FAR MORE EXPENSIVE than a simple download so your example is just turning words around to make it seams less..thats why you rarly see cars being copyed by using parts to fit the original desighn because its cost a hell of alot more than just downloading a full copy of an item like software, music etc.
….I am just at a loss for words. I don’t even understand what you’re saying anymore. I was telling you you’re wrong on piracy = stealing, and I showed you proof(the meaning of theft, and quotes about a supreme court case), you have showed me you think stealing a car worth tens of thousands is the same as downloading a 20 dollar game because they could have made that 20 instead of losing absolutely nothing. I’m not saying in every single case they would lose nothing mind, you, I never once said that. Just that sometimes they lose nothing .I’m not turning words around to makes less sense, it already makes absolutely no sense. Saying cars would be pirated if it were an easy task doesn’t make what you said a valid point. Remember that comic argument? Storm isn’t strong cause you say she is, storm is what the what the writers make her.
@johnnyTruant5
lol
do you know how much money it takes to build your own car as opposed to a software download?
how did you think shadow said pocket a car when he clearly says:
“You cant physcally copy a car but if the means were there PEOPLE WOULD. but its simple to COPY items and put them on CD/DVDs”
“There are ways to copy car based on blue prints used in those factories except it requires money to duplicate. With file sharing on the net its simplifed. If the means exsisted to copy a car without owning a factory this would stem over to the car makers.
that makes alot of sense.. because its not a simple thing to do and requires a ton of money to make the exact same car.. which means, its not as commen as downloading software. Its true, i read alot and comment in Ars-technica.com and they always show those being busted for music downloads or file sharing. they have to prosecute you diffrently because you didnt walk into a store and steal the item forcing the store to restock. its still stealing just by hidden means ie the net to get what you wanted or dont want to spend the money to rent/buy.
I think shadow is not using you as an example so dont take shit personal.. save it for Maki’s retarded remarks. LOL
@steelfox
duhh i dunno, like 50 dollars? Idiot… I’m having a debate with just about the only person on this site I don’t think is an idiot(yep, you’re knee deep in that river), and I don’t think I had to take anything personally to do so. Thank you and goodbye.
@shadow
If you have proof against the supreme court saying piracy is copyright infringement, or proof against the fact it has been considered so for centuries, i’d be glad to see it, but please not another car example, or just saying it’s stealing because you think so.
@JT5
thats because you miss read what i said about the car example and thought i meant pocket the item. when it was an example… THAN…. i went back to software as being easier to copy than a car. You took that part of everything written and thought i meant something else and made it a conversation.
and btw… if you could download a 911 turbo for free in a few hours or any car.. you really dont think that wouldnt apeal to anyone? thats commen sense.. if the means exsisted to copy any car you wanted to via download it would be popular. think about it…not spening thousands of dollars or more for ANY car in exsistance.
The comic responds are 2 diffrent subjects for 1 those guys say shes strong but dont have any evidence and shes not real. The evidence im using are actual items that exsist today (cars).
@JT5
ROTF LMFAO!
@JT5
i never disagreed.. but did say that by law they have to get prosecuted diffrently based on not walking into a place and stealing the item.. thats not me saying just for saying.. its fact. by downloading your not actually taking from a dealer ie BESTBUY and force them ot restock but you are taking something not yours using the net by file sharing.. which is stealing since you dont own the item and using it for personal reasons like having fun, showing off to your friends, listening to music etc.. it exsist because someone created it and now someone took there creation and are using it without buying it. the law has to prosecute you on copy write infingment because you never walked into a place and took it.. itrs still thef just on a diffrent level. You know what i mean?
computers, the internet and downloading P2P hasnt been around for centuries.. the law has to bend to accomidate the time and technologies. thats why they get revised when new situations appear..
@shadow
Actually since you said usb’s can go in your pocket I was making a joke about how cars doing that is silly,, and yeah I guess i came across too serious on it haha but I didn’t think you literally meant pocket cars.
And yeah I know what you mean, that’s what my post was about in the first place.
“but did say that by law they have to get prosecuted diffrently based on not walking into a place and stealing the item.. thats not me saying just for saying.. its fact.” Thats what I was saying though lol, you said more than once piracy is “plain stealing”. I was just correcting you and AssassinHD, who scurried off.
its a diffrent level of thef so they cant nab you on taking the actually item but downloading and having it without buying. when you steal from a store, you cause the store to restock and you deprive someone of the sale and force the company to rebuy. when you download and items you take a fully function item from a source and use it. technically you are taking it.. just not from a store..
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lmao! i just read that comment..
@JT5
i didnt mean to hurt your feelings
Yeah cause you totally did. All you did was miss the point, which doesn’t hurt my feelings TOO much, i’m trying to hang in there though. Maybe you can try and patronize me again, that might make me feel better? Or better yet you could go rust in a den or something?
wow, you guys are a bunch of dorks.
I didn’t really scurry off. I only participate in these discussions during working hours (I am an IT Admin so I have a lot of time for such things during working hours). When I am at home I prefer to spend my free time gaming instead of commenting about gaming. I will concede that piracy is not stealing by the definition or court rulings, but it is an immoral and criminal act.
If it pleases you I will no longer refer to pirates as thieves. Henceforth I will refer to pirates as criminals instead. I would love to see you argue against that.
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